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Software that is currently available only allows a burn at a time. DVDs are an excellent way to show your film. It definitely allows for better sound.....if you set up a decoder and the appropriate amount of speakers with a subwoofer you've got the total film experience.....of coarse you'd have to sync all that sound up and sweeten it to a 5 channel mix. center channel dialogue, left and right music, two rears effects. It's the way to go
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Hmmmm. I thought for mass production, they used a kind of high tech micro "stamping" process for CDs like the did for records. I thought that's what all the fuss was about when CDs came out and they were (and still are) more expensive than audio cassettes but cost much less to reproduce. I was under the impression that the same would hold true for DVDs. Am I just out of my mind? I would have sworn that I read something about replication of CDs that mentioned stamping. Anyone out there fill in the blanks for me? And, if true for CDs, then why would mass duplication of DVDs be different?
Roger
It's all about preventing digital theft.
That's why the infamous "glass master" I mentioned a few posts back in this topic thread is both expensive and apparently proprietary so only the bigger duplicators can do it...(if someone knows differently, please share)
The DVD "glass masters" can be run off en masse through the larger duplicating facilities.
But for us little folk...it's gonna be ones and twos for now.
DVD recorders are coming out...but they are supposed to be VHS quality only.
And Scotts application is the cool way to go.
I still think at some point they will allow for additional burners to be hooked up so even if they have to be made in real time, at least you could do more than one at a time by picking up extra DVD "burning units".
-Alex
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Alex:
[B]
"DVD recorders are coming out...but they are supposed to be VHS quality only."
Alex
(Matt Pacini resonds):
Huh? They're GOING to be out?
Then what is Scott recording on, if they're not out?
A digital DVD recording chicken?
And why would they be VHS quality? Where did you hear that?
Copyright issues are not any different than they are for cassettes and recordable CD's, so I don't get what that has to do with anything, since any recordable media has the ability to copy copyrightable material.
And what the hell is a "glass master".
What's different about it? (Don't say it's glass!).
Matt Pacini
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Matt Pacini:
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by Alex:
"DVD recorders are coming out...but they are supposed to be VHS quality only."
Alex
(Matt Pacini resonds):
Huh? They're GOING to be out?
Then what is Scott recording on, if they're not out?
A digital DVD recording chicken?
And why would they be VHS quality? Where did you hear that?
Copyright issues are not any different than they are for cassettes and recordable CD's, so I don't get what that has to do with anything, since any recordable media has the ability to copy copyrightable material.
And what the hell is a "glass master".
What's different about it? (Don't say it's glass!).
Matt Pacini
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Matt, if it was easy, EVERYBODY would be making DVD's.....what Scott has to do to make a Custom DVD is different from anyone of us buying a DVD recorder that looks like a VCR.
The VCR style DVD recorders that are supposed to be introduced in this country over the next couple of years will be limited in what they will allow you to do when it comes to DVD recording.
DVD's have been called a magician's trick because that they are fitting entire movies, surround sound, and behind the scenes documentaries on a DVD disc that only holds 4.7 gigabytes per side (approximately)
...In high resolution mode for non linear editing systems, 4.7 gigs would get you 30-45 minutes of recording time max.....
It's with special software that designers can make 90 minute and longer DVD's that you rent at Blockbuster.
The compression schemes to fit all that information on a DVD disc are very sophisticated.
If you have a blue sky in a scene, and it stays in relatively the same spot of the frame, the DVD software keeps sampling the same blue sky data over and over, rather than waste precious memory writing the same info over and over on the DVD.
So, as you take away the magician's trick and make a VCR version, something has got to give.
By lowering the resolution to VHS quality, the DVD's can have as a long a record time as the pre-recorded DVD you rent from Blockbuster.
And you cannot transfer a DVD to VHS because of copyguard.
So by preventing the necessary technology for Mass DVD duplications to the general public, Moving pirating can be kept to only a billion dollar a year business.
I think Glass master means optical master....once an optical master is made by a major duplication house, numerous DVD's can be popped out very quickly...these duplication houses I believe pay licensing fees to the inventor of the DVD system.
The DVD's made by us little people are not optical masters, so they must be made the old fashioned way...one at at time.
-Alex
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> only holds 4.7 gigabytes
only? have you ever heard of mpeg-2 compression before?
> The compression schemes to fit all that information on a DVD disc are very sophisticated.
*lol*
obviously not...
/matt
Yes, only 4.7 gigabytes.
The operating standard for most non-linear high-resolution setting was approximately 5-10 minutes per gig, depending on the system you used.
Final Cut-Pro is probably better than that, but they are forcing you to be DV-compatible.
I recall you mentioning you used older NLE at a fraction of the memory and it worked fine...but there must have been some trade-off
-Alex
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dvd is cool, but its really expensive to make copies, in europe i pay 12$ for a dvd-r
so i use the pros of a dvd for a presentation of my projects, nothing less nothing more.
to scott:
which programm do you use to comprime your stuff into mpeg2? which dvd programm do yopu use?
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'be the one who is it'
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Alex:
[B] Matt, if it was easy, EVERYBODY would be making DVD's.....what Scott has to do to make a Custom DVD is different from anyone of us buying a DVD recorder that looks like a VCR."
(Matt responds): I wasn't saying it was easy, OR that it looks like a VCR, I just said that DVD recorders must exist, or Scott wouldn't be recording DVD's, that's all!
I didn't say anything about what TYPE of DVD recorder was out there.
ALEX: "DVD's have been called a magician's trick because that they are fitting entire movies, surround sound, and behind the scenes documentaries on a DVD disc that only holds 4.7 gigabytes per side (approximately) ...In high resolution mode for non linear editing systems, 4.7 gigs would get you 30-45 minutes of recording time max....."
(Matt responds): Well, I don't see it as any trick, it's called compression, and a lot of it! It's been around for years, eh?
In fact, I read one interview with the guy who actually developed the DVD, and he said he hates the format now, and has disowned it, because originally, he had invisioned each movie being on two discs, using lower compression, and it looked fantastic. But the suits decided to crank up the compression, to fit it on one disc, and now we have just somewhat better than a good VHS quality system, instead of what was apparently amazing.
ALEX: "And you cannot transfer a DVD to VHS because of copyguard."
(Matt responds): Why the hell would copyguard be encoding on a home recorded original DVD?
Sure, I can see that it wouldn't READ a copyguarded DVD when making a copy, but why would it actually force you to encode copyguard on your own original DVD's?
Are you saying that it's in the hardware of every single DVD recorder on the planet, that it encodes with copyguard?
I don't know about this personally, I'm not arguing, it just seems unlikely, that's all.
So Scott's DVD's that he makes, cannot be copied under any circuimstances, even on his own DVD recorder?
Matt Pacini
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Scott uses a DVD burner...which is different from a DVD recorder you buy in the store.
I'm under the impression from what others have said about Final Cut Pro that the copyguard feature is also on the DVD burner and software package that Scott and other DVD Designers use to make custom DVD's one by one.
I call it the great digital divide.
Or, the looking up at the glass "master" ceiling.
Yes it's called compression, but in fact with DVD it is even more than that, designers can actually dictate what parts of the "blue-sky" to repeat over and over to fit even longer movies on DVD.
And isn't it ironic that the original designer of the DVD now hates it because of corporate greed....
Welcome to the world of Digital, where coporate greed and shareholders come first, all in the name of science and innovation for the average person....yeah right.
If eventually we all agree on a digital theatre projection standard...
...it would behoove filmmakers of this country to fight for one day out of the week, EVERY WEEK, be reserved for local programming.
Otherwise, the theatre owner will be under intense pressure to only show big time productions from the big studios.
Digital is evil not for what it is, but for how it will be exploited by the elite few.
The masses may love it, but the independent filmmaker may get shafted.
I feel it in my bones.
-Alex
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